Monday, September 22, 2008

The Chinese Will Kill Your Babies

You may recall the dog food fiasco that reared its ugly head last year when it was discovered that for the past few years, the Chinese have been putting melamine, a plastic powder that mimics amino acids (found only in protein) into dog food base, in order to make it appear to have a higher protein content than it really did (they could sell it for more profit). When the factories that were doing it were caught and executives questioned, their reasoning went something like this:

"Well pets don't need to grow as quickly as food dogs therefore it is OK to have less protein in the dog food for pets."

They killed my dog, Tug, with this mentality. They killed a lot of other beloved pets as well.

Well, guess what? Those fucking chinese are at it again! Only this time they aren't doing it to our pets.... they are doing to our BABIES!

Are you worried about who is going to be running the USA next? You may not have to worry too much longer if we keep on importing as much as we do from China, a country that seems to have no understanding of morals and ethics. Hmmm... that sounds a lot like big business in North America where the bottom line rules, and to be successful, you destroy your industry at home, and outsource it all to... you guessed it: China!

Welcome to REAL Globalization!

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Behind bad baby milk, an ethical gap in China's business

Inspectors found that 13 percent of dairy firms inspected since last week had produced melamine-tainted formula, state TV reported Tuesday. Critics say state regulation alone won’t prevent more food scandals.
By Peter Ford | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the September 17, 2008 edition

Beijing - As Chinese officials warned Tuesday that contaminated milk powder may have sickened more than the 1,200 babies already identified, the scandal revealed more than a recurrent regulatory problem, Chinese and foreign experts suggested.

Rather, they said, it pointed to a deeper malaise in Chinese society where private profit often trumps the public good as the country races to create a market economy that has outstripped government regulators.

"China has the problems of any transitional economy," says Yanzhong Huang, a global health expert at Seton Hall University in South Orange, N.J. "But the deeper and more fundamental challenge China faces is a systematic lack of business ethics."

"You cannot fully police the whole food chain," adds Dali Yang, a politics professor at the University of Chicago. "A lot depends on changes in social norms. People have to recognize that integrity does matter."

A leading Chinese dairy company, Sanlu, admitted last week that its baby formula manufactured earlier this year was tainted by the chemical melamine. Doctors in several Chinese provinces have found more than 1,200 babies who drank the formula suffering from kidney stones and renal failure. Two babies have died as a result since May, officials say, warning that the number of cases could rise sharply.

State television reported Tuesday that 22 of 175 dairy producers inspected since last week were found to have produced melamine-tainted milk. They included major brands such as the Inner Mongolia Yili Industrial Group, a supplier for the Beijing Olympics.

Investigators say it appears that milk merchants, selling to Sanlu the raw milk they had bought from farmers, had added the chemical – normally used in plastics and fertilizers – to boost the milk's apparent protein content.

Two brothers who owned a milk collection center in Shijiazhuang, Sanlu's home base, were arrested Monday on charges of adulterating the milk they had sold to the company, the state news agency Xinhua reported. Two additional milk suppliers were also arrested later that day. Seventeen others have been detained, including one man suspected of illegally selling melamine.

The case is especially embarrassing to Sanlu – a majority state-owned joint venture with a New Zealand dairy cooperative – because it was allegedly such a paragon of virtue it has been exempted from government food safety inspections since December 2005.

The company's infant formula had been certified as an "inspection-exempt product" for three years by the General Administration for Quality Supervision, Inspection, and Quarantine (AQSIQ), according to the administration's website.

Such certification means that "the products are exempted from quality monitoring and inspection conducted by the government," the website explains. In return, it adds, "internal inspection should be reinforced."

Forty-seven Chinese dairy companies currently enjoy such an exemption, according to AQSIQ, after demonstrating that they have "a complete quality guarantee system," among other criteria.

Not only did Sanlu fail to detect the melamine in its milk powder, the company has also so far failed to explain why it did not publicly reveal the problem until Sept. 11, although it had received complaints from worried parents as early as last March, and identified the contamination on Aug. 6.

The incident became public only after Sanlu's New Zealand partner, Fonterra, which holds three seats on the company board, informed New Zealand diplomats who told Chinese government officials in Beijing of the problem.

Fonterra has "been trying for weeks to get official recall, and the local authorities in China would not do it," New Zealand prime minister Helen Clark told her country's state TV broadcaster on Monday. "At the local level ... I think the first inclination was to try to put a towel over it."

Last year, after a wave of food safety scandals involving pet food, toothpaste, and seafood, the Chinese government pledged stricter controls, especially of food destined for export.

A new food safety law was presented last December to the National People's Congress, the parliament, after three years of study, and last month the Chinese Food and Drug Administration was put under the wing of the Health Ministry.

Skeptics are not convinced by such moves. "Central regulatory reform is only part of the problem," argues Richard Suttmeier, a University of Oregon expert on Chinese product safety. "There is nothing you can snap your fingers at and solve."

With nearly half a million food producing and processing companies, according to official figures, "there are more individual producers than the government could ever regulate," Prof. Suttmeier adds.

The authorities "will be defeated constantly" unless "they begin to think how you make multiple producers responsible agents," he says.

A wide range of reforms is needed, he warns, from capital markets that would starve misbehaving companies of funds to a legal system that would allow aggrieved consumers to sue firms for damages.

"What is really needed is a cultural shift," Suttmeier argues. "That will occur if they make progress with institution building" as part of China's transition from a socialist to a capitalist economic system.

Prof. Yuang also attributes the Sanlu scandal, and others like it, to "the difficulty of transforming institutions from the micro-interference of a centrally planned economy to macro-regulation.

"There is a big question mark over how effective this is," he adds.

Some observers see a silver lining in the scandal. "One positive result is that people will become more aware of food safety," says Ren Fazheng, a professor at China Agriculture University in Beijing. "Government and society will pay more attention to this issue ... and more inspection agencies will use more methods, so the level of inspection will improve."

Yet public opinion, even outrage, has limited impact, as evidenced by the stunted efforts by angry parents who lost children in the Sichuan earthquake in May to demand government accountability. While officials are still investigating why so many schools in the quake area collapsed, protests have been curtailed and media coverage on the issue banned.

Still, with Sanlu closed by government decree and its future in doubt, two men charged with crimes that can carry the death penalty, and a government investigation widening, "this serves as an extremely strong cautionary tale for the whole industry," says Professor Yang.

"Lawsuits have not worked well in China, but the costs are escalating" for companies that cheat, he argues. "Producers realize now how precious their brand name is."

Yuang is less sanguine. "The problem is structural and systematic" he warns. "If it is not tackled we will see many, many more cases like this, and it will really hurt the Chinese economy, especially its export sector."

81 comments:

  1. Oh my gosh... it's going to get scary in the upcoming years, isn't it?

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  2. Oh yeah...

    I meant to ask you about this.

    I just don't get it!

    Won't this stuff kill their babies too?
    Guess it's another form of population control for them.

    It's inconceivable to me why they put poisonous crap in stuff that is injested by not only us infidels but by their own consumers too.

    Somebody explain this to me please?

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  3. i read about this in the paper yup scarey...I remember when few years ago contaminated baby milk not fit for the west was sent to the third world...and killed many of their children..no doubt some sick persons view of population controlx

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  4. Yeah saw this on the news. Hmm and right on the heels of the Olympics...now, isn't that interesting?

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  5. We sure are having a problem with them lately, aren't we? I guess we should thank God we have the FDA and our laws we follow. Something is awful fishy with the Chinese lately. It's freaky.

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  6. OH MY GOD!!!


    *drags out biggest soapbox in her closet*

    *steps up.. taps the mic*

    Is this on?
    Good. Breastfeed. it's how your body was designed. it's how it works. There are millions of reasons not to give your baby formula.. this is just the recent. Did you know that they are discovering that SIDS deaths are actually more than 50% of the time related to formula? Yep. Did you know that babies who bottle feed have a higher risk for allergies, asthma, obesity, lower IQ and more doctor visits? Seriously... I could go on and on and on.

    This has very little to do with the Chinese and more to do with our fucking retarded society that thinks it's natural for a helpless infant to sleep in it's own bed, in a separate room from it's parents and be fed artificial milk.

    Try doing that to a litter of puppies. i dare you. Take the puppies, put them in separate beds, in separate rooms and feed them from a bottle... people will think you're insane.... but.. do it to a Human Baby.. and... that's good parenting.



    ACK!



    *steps off soapbox, but doesn't put it away.. yet*

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  7. *STANDING ON MY CHAIR APPLAUDING STEF*

    It's ridiculous how stupid Americans ( and Westerners in general) get around breast feeding.

    Just the people who dislike and want to pass laws against nursing in public make me want to smack them.

    I had arguments with my own mom when i nursed my kids...sheesh!

    Just on practicality sake, who wants to do all that stupid bottle washing and sterilizing ( though i 'm prolly showing my age here, as i imagine there are fancy self washing or disposable ones nowdays) when you can just pick up the baby and have a ready supply of nourishment right there??!!?

    Never made any sense to me.

    The corpratists will always try to convince people they have a better way of doing something that is so natural (can you say bottled water?) in an attempt to separate us from our money.

    THAT'S the bottom line in most of what's wrong in the world!


    * climbing down off my Amen Corner chair*

    As you were....

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  8. Here in Japan, the dad gets sent off to sleep alone in a different room for the first few years of the baby's life while Mom sleeps with baby. Then it kind of becomes habit and the mom finally gets a good night's sleep!

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  9. Terrifying Cam.

    I think China owns half or more of the US by now. We are past our eyeballs in debt to them.

    Definitely scary.

    Is this their method behind population control?

    I agree with those below....suck a boob, it is safer....

    Sorry that was so blunt, but, it is just so simple.

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  10. Yay, Linda!

    Blunt and simple does it for me!

    What're you doing up Cammy???

    Go get some more sleep!

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  11. At one stage, China was substituting the meat in Dim Sums with poison treated cardboard, too.

    When are all the governments going to stop importing China's crappy food into their own countries?

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  12. Just gone back and read the comments.

    While I don't see any problems with breastfeeding, some of us just can't do it.

    I had to bottle feed all my kids because the milk just wouldn't come, so it's not so easy to just flop out a boob when your baby is screaming.

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  13. Deb, while it is very rare that a woman is unable to breastfeed, it is possible. In those cases... I think our society would be best to encourage women to purchase human milk from a milk bank, or contact their local Le Leche League group... many mothers have surplus milk that they are more than happy to donate! I have a friend who adopted a baby boy and was able to successfully feed him breastmilk for two years... all donated. It's simply they best food available for our babies.

    If you do purchase formula... KNOW where it is from!! Find your local health food store and purchase local formula. Stay away from mass produced, mass shipped, commercial formula if it's possible.

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  14. Oh it's not something I have to worry about now. My kids are now 17, 13 and 9 so the point is moot for me, but I can safely say that while at the hospital, wondering why the hell my boobs didn't do what they were supposed to do, NO ONE said anything about donated human milk. Maybe it wasn't available at the time? Or, being this is Australia - they're slow to encourage things like this.

    I can still remember asking if it was okay to donate my 9 year old's baby cord to the hospital and they didn't have the facilities to do anything with it!

    The formula I tried with my first one gave her colic so bad, that I put her on to goats milk and she thrived, so when the next two came along, I automatically shoved them onto that :D

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  15. WTF???
    Is that TRUE???

    You'd think cardboard would be bad enough... then they felt the need to pflavour it with POISON???

    Somebody please explain this. Explain why humans do this to other humans.

    I could see war crimes... but profit crimes???

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  16. Thanks Deb.

    I'm going to pour over this... multiple times if need be, to try and understand... WHY?

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  17. It's interesting timing for this latest scandal as it comes hot on the heels of the US financial crisis. It's like the non-regulatory state is unravelling everywhere at once. In the process they're disproving Reagan's belief that, "Corporations would never harm their customers, it's not in their interest." I guess Ronnie didn't understand about balance sheets and externalities, but then he was senile.

    The one good thing with China is that when they say, "Heads will roll!" they're not being metaphorical. Or as Wen Jaibao said last night,"Public confidence can only be rebuilt on merciless punishment," he said. "None of those companies lacking professional ethics or social morals will be let off." I've got to say that I like the sound of that.

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  18. Move over on that soapbox Stef, because I have to tell the world how much I agree with you. We do to our children things we wouldn't dream of doing to our helpless animals. I never, never banned my children from my bed. Still to this day the wee ones know they can come into my room any time of night and find that they will be welcomed to climb in bed with me and have warmth and security. And shame on people who would banish those small ones from the "family bed."

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  19. The problems starts first because the Chinese farmers are paid so little for the milk. With hardly any money to buy proper feed for the cows, the farmers dilute the milk with water to make the output appear greater.
    The company which buys the watered down milk, then tries to boost the protein levels with this damn Melamine.
    Perhaps what the farmers should have done in order to demand a higher price for the milk to begin with, would be to milk the cows and pour it into ditches causing a shortage in order to drive up the price and receive better compensation for the milk.
    I truly hope if the ones tainting the milk are caught, that they be publicly hanged. Shame on those harming innocent babies.

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  20. In a time where there are a lot of mixed families or second marriages, myself included, do you really think it's a great idea that my three girls just jump into bed with me when their stepfather is in the bed too? Because I know he'd feel a little uncomfortable about it.

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  21. Deb.. that's entirely up to YOU and YOUR family!

    My family.. we practiced the family bed to the extreme... my husbands sisters who were 8 and 16 years younger than us slept in our bed with us.. and our kids. As a matter of fact, until we remodeled our former home when my twins were two, all six of us slept in one bedroom. The other room was a play room. We had our King bed and two twin beds.. and more often than not... all four kids were in our bed. It's not for everyone, but it was the right choice for my family. Not to say that I think it's a good idea across the board. If your husband is uncomfortable.. then no... don't do it.. but I do hope that if your girls need some comfort... maybe he'd be willing to go sleep on the couch while they snuggled with Mom? Or maybe mom would spend the night in one of the girl's rooms? The possibilities are endless really.

    I've known families who didn't want to bed share, so the mom had a bed in the baby's room.. and slept in there for months. Or moms who put a separate bed IN the master bed for the kids if they wake and come in.

    For me... nothing.. NOTHING on this planet compares to waking up on a lazy saturday morning and finding a few of my babies in my bed with me... and they're 13, 11 and 8. I love it!

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  22. That sounds like an idyllic scenario, but I've only been married for 6 weeks, so at the moment, I'm enjoying waking up to just my husband.

    It came to light, after the break up, that my ex fiancee was molesting my oldest daughter. She was 12 at the time.

    Whether my husband is comfortable or not, never even entered into the equation, in all honesty. After that experience, I wouldn't allow it and my children are self sufficient to the point where they don't feel the need to crawl into bed with me and due to my rotten parenting, it's a small miracle that not only are they independent girls, but they're also smart, well within their ideal weight areas and visits to the doctor have only been for dumb things like sticking weird junk up their noses - all under the age of two and for immunisations.

    Hooray for healthy kids...

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  23. I used to go in and sleep with the kids if they EVER came t me in the night after starting in their own beds. I didn't want to disturb my husband's sleep as he was the one who had tp get up and go out to work in the morning and he doesn't sleep well anyway.

    My daughter loved her independence, but my son liked to have mommy sleeping with him. He'd be mortified to know i told you guys that i did it up to about the time he was 12 or so.

    He also breast fed longer... guess that explains our bond, even though both of them now are fiercely independent.

    It's always a matter of each family's preference and traditions though. I slept in a room with my mom til we moved into our new house when i was 12. Even with her two feet away i was still a horrible sleeper with nightmares and sensitivity to any sound every night.

    I know... i'm weird...sigh.

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  24. Well, it sounds to me like your kids are lucky to have you as a Mom, Deb.. and I'm glad that you are capable of making the choices to protect and nurture your kids. I'm sure they are going to be strong, healthy, independent women. :)

    Enjoy your honeymoon!! ;)

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  25. Jenny, I wasn't even allowed in my parent's bedroom. My Dad tucked me in every night, and my mom said good night from the doorway.... I spent many.. many nights crying myself to sleep... I just.... wanted to be cuddled and held... so I decided early to provide for them what I never received...

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  26. Thanks :D

    I'm hoping the honeymoon lasts for a good 50 years ;)

    I read your comment to Jenny and it's sad that you felt so alone when you were a little girl. I was never allowed into my parents room, but I knew the reasons why - dad was a cop and worked shift work (it would have disturbed all of us) and he had a loaded gun in his room whenever he was home. The bedroom was off limits!!!

    He also saw a lot of kids abused by their parents - primarily males - be they dads or stepdads and it got weird for dad so he wasn't a real huggy kinda guy either.

    He is with his grandkids, but he's retired now, so that might have something to do with it.

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  27. Well my mom was a single mom with four boys and..me. And our flat had just two bedrooms so the boys slept in one and my mom and i slept in twin beds in our room. I doubt having her in the same bed would have mattered...

    i was a scary lil kid period.

    Explains a lot now that i think of the recent discussion on another blog.

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  28. Oh.. Deb.. don't be sad!!

    I'm glad I had the childhood I did... It helped me become the Rockin' Mom that I am now.... and I've thanked my mom sincerely for it... I know she made lots of mistakes and she feels a lot of guilt.. but, yanno, she did the best with what she knew and... I took it from there. Had my childhood been all Sunshine Bears and Happy Faces.... I'd be just another soccer mom who felt like she was entitled to happiness.. instead, I learned to find my own stability, my own security and my own love... which in turn.. enabled me to reach out to my family and friends and just.... share! I love my life... every minute.. every tear.. every heart ache... every mistake... it's brought me to this perfect place in my life... and I am ME!

    *big giant hugs*

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  29. Hee hee hee.. that made me giggle out loud. Thank YOU!


    *smooch*

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  30. I have to clarify something for all those out there who for very legitimate reasons wouldn't want a child in bed with them, like the newlyweds. There are numerous ways to comfort a child waking in the middle of the night. For me it was either let them come to my bed or one of us, either my husband or myself would get up and go with them to their rooms. Either way the child got what they needed. Sometimes it might mean losing some sleep, but I just couldn't see that it was that big a sacrifice to lose sleep in order to comfort a scared child. When I was with my second husband my grandaughter when she spent the night with me had a small bed in our bedroom. Sometimes she would still wake up and want to snuggle with me, but then I would be in the middle between the both of them. Its just a matter of everyones individual needs and beliefs. I just can't let a child lay alone in a room and cry themselves to sleep, if they ever go to sleep.

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  31. I know, Sheila!

    I always thought it was weird that most adults in marriage or relationships sleep with their loved ones while we expect kids to sleep all alone .. in a dark room... worst of all with the door closed! Gah!

    One thing we had and still have is open door bedtime.
    Our door is never closed and neither were theirs.

    My son usually came to get me but even on nights when he was sleeping ok, if i heard him coughing i would go and sleep with him.

    It gave us both peace of mind and sound snuggly sleep.

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  32. We have a night light on at bed time because I don't like the dark (shhhhhhhh) and the girls only started closing their own doors when they got older - although I upset the oldest when she'd bring her boyfriend over and close her door.

    I took the door of its hinges!!!

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  33. Oooo we close doors. But.. my dad was a fireman.


    Random fact.. did you know that with open bedroom doors, your chances of dying from smoke inhalation at the beginning of a fire increases ...like.. lots? yeah... nice bedtime story, thanks Dad. *blink blink* so... we still sleep with them shut.


    Deb.. I'm sure, being the daughter of a Police Officer... you know exactly what I mean when I tell you that sometimes... Kids don't NEED to know the stuff the dad knows... Right?


    *sigh*

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  34. Ha.. we took our 13 yr daughters door off the hinges not too long ago... she kept slamming it... she'd scream at us... slam the door....


    cha... fixed the slamming part....



    anyone know how to get a hormonal 13 year old to stop screaming?? I mean... withOUT duct tape.

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  35. Hahaha, Deb

    I did that when ours took it upon herself to swithc the locking doorknob off the bathroom door to put on her own room

    I took her right off the damn hinges for months.

    Ornery heifer!

    P.S.... as a kid i could never decide which was worse.... the nightlight ON so i could see "the Boogins" coming to get me or OFF where i just imagined it all night long... hehehehe.

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  36. As with most kids, the only thing that works is loss of privileges ... or stuff.

    Isn't yours the one who got the snazzy cell phone?

    Well... three strikes and you're out.... out of cell phone contact for a week.
    Document each screech episode... with warnings.

    I always told my daughter i demand the same respect she showed her friends. She'd never dream of talking to them the way she TRIED with me.

    Hiya Cammy.

    Welcome to Parenting 101... hehehe...

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  37. I know more than I have a right knowing.

    One memory that sticks in my mind, even now, was when dad came home crying one night. It was really late and I was about 9 years old and my bedroom was right next to mum and dads so I eavesdropped.

    Some guy killed his whole family with an axe and then did himself in with a shotgun blast to the face.

    My dad was first into the house and it was in darkness and he had to walk through everyone's blood to reach the light switch and it messed dad up pretty bad. He'd been on the force for 6 years by that stage and had seen an awful lot of things, but this one incident almost did him in.

    I didn't know that open doors increased the chances of me getting smoke inhalation. Should I put Talia's door back on its hinges? :o

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  38. Shush, You...

    BLS!

    OK...*gigglin* yeah NOW i'll admit it.
    THEN i wanted to break her fingers...

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  39. Hormonal thirteen year old girls...

    Lots of groundings, some mental warfare and a set of handy ear plugs...

    My oldest was horrible (I have all girls) and more often than not I'd lock myself in the toilet and cry from sheer frustration.

    The second oldest is more even tempered, plus she saw what happened to the oldest and this one is a little smarter and gracious when it comes to getting what she wants.

    I plan on leaving the country before my youngest turns into a teenager.

    That switching locks thingo was pretty damn clever...

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  40. I keep on chanting "not till it's legal, not till it's legal" and keep matches and lighters out of the house.

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  41. hee hee hee...

    I don't know how you live with three daughters.

    My boys tear shit up.. they are slobs, they drag mud in everywhere.. they leave their stuff.. wherever.. they're loud and obnoxious... but... holy cow... I'd take 10 of them any day.

    it's The Hormonal One that leaves me standing in the kitchen with that deer in the headlights look wondering... what the HELL just happened here??



    She needs a manual.


    I love her... I just... yeah... need an interpreter half of the time.

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  42. OMG... stereotype or no , i'm here to tell you that boys are INFINITELY easier.

    But it could also be, like Deb says he saw the stuff she pulled and just knew there was a better way to get what he wanted.

    Those first ones are the hardest... they exist just to break us in. The rest are usually cake!

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  43. You'll have to ask my mom and dad what they did with us. I remember them tucking us in, kissing us, telling us a story (we slept in our own rooms, Bruce, myself, and my parents, and then going away. I know they came in if we had nightmares, but I don't have any memories of going into my parent's bed. None. Maybe I did... but I really don't. I also don't really remember my parents coming and sleeping in my bed snuggling me, either. That doesn't mean they didn't but if they did it must have been before I was about 2 or 3 as it seems that before that age, the memories don't really stick with us, but after they seem to become real memories.

    Oh, my aunt in Hawaii breast fed both of her children on one breast (cancer and the doctor took the other), for about seven or eight years each.

    Can you imagine your eight year old coming home from school and telling you he and his friends are hungry?

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  44. And you know... I really don't think I am any worse off for not spending years in my parents' bed. But then again, who knows what I would be like if I had, right?

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  45. Cameron...

    Not the friends...

    But my friend did nurse her youngest til she went to school... maybe longer, but only at bedtime

    Out of the three, she is smarter than the two older. In a special school for brainiacs and all.

    makes you wonder...

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  46. Jen - Those kids are pretty smart, too, it seems. They lived on the Big Island, and the parents were weed-growing hippies (in their days). They built a "fold up house" on an old lava flow, harvested their own bananas, collected magic mushrooms, swam in a giant cistern, naked (Mayu will vouch for that as she was shocked to see Clive and his giant harvested banana wander past as she was sunning by the cistern)... a very cool life.

    And I think I just got stung in the middle of my palm when I was moving Keiko from a soon to be sunny spot, to a slightly shadier spot. Interesting stinging, and swelling in my palm...

    (More on Keiko in a video very soon...)

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  47. Wouk... you gotta stop getting hurt. Seriously.. Stung by WHAT?

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  48. I'd take boys over girls any day.

    Sure, boys are kinda grotty and when they fight it's a no holds barred type of thing, but once the fight is over, it's over.

    Girls carry it over for the next 100 years and old crap ALWAYS comes into new arguments and it does my head in. At one stage, I was seriously considering typing every fight up into a document and then cross referencing it all so I could stay one step ahead in the next fight, but they went and changed the rules on me.

    There are 4 and a half years spacing between each of my girls - 9 years between the youngest and the oldest. What the hell could they all possibly be fighting about???

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  49. Boys. They fight about boys. Or clothes. Or shoes.

    or... who had more yogurt than who.





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  50. Girls fight about what you did 4 years ago, but make it apply to whatever you've done today, as well.

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  51. Deb - Ummm... weren't YOU a girl, once?

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  52. Stefnee - Don't know. Maybe an ant? Maybe a wasp? No idea. But I KNOW it was a sting and not a muscle spasm... you know how there is that really sharp pinprick pain that comes on and stays? Just like that. Then it goes away after a while. I've never worried so much about getting stung. I'm a boy; we do shit like that.

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  53. I don't have this experience and i'm gled.

    I saw my girlfriends having at it with their sisters over clothes and hair bands and stopid stuff... i'm glad to have dodged that bullet. Never had to deal with it as the only girl and having one of each myself there wasn't much fighting... just a lot of teasing and minor sniping.

    But i have three nephews, each exactly 18 months apart.

    I had to ask my sis-in-law cuz i never saw it, bt she confirmed... they never fought... amazing!

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  54. Yes, but according to my mother, my sister and I were extremely well behaved and rarely argued at all.

    Then, I turned 14...

    (My sister is still a good girl and she's now 38, but for a while there, I went off the rails for a few years).

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  55. My boys don't really fight... they kinda bicker a little... throw rocks and stuff...


    As for me... two brothers. All boys in my neighborhood. I can climb trees and catch baby catfish better than any mom I know.

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  56. I can confirm that! I saw you catching baby catfish!!!!

    But can you change a battery in a smoke alarm? Hmmm?

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  57. and... I mean... I can catch a catfish with my bare hands. Thankyouverymuch.

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  58. DAMN SMOKE ALARM.

    Scott got it for me. Pretty sad when I'm standing on a chair... and ... I STILL can't reach the ceiling. Of course.. the twins had a great idea after school... they were throwing shoes at it.. trying to get it to stop. *sigh*

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  59. Hi guys. I love you all and you're all quite pretty.

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  60. Yes, the twins would likely throw shoes, even at Cam.

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  61. *sigh* I miss much when I spend an evening with the kiddos...

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  62. Alan... no you don't. Sweety... you gain so much more!!!

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  63. Alan - Live communication with loved ones blows text on a computer screen and back and forth words completely out of the water. Your children will remember you for the evening you spent with them.

    As for us... I'm sorry, who did you say you were again?

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  64. True. We had a good evening mowing up the lawn, eating dinner, and watching the season premiere of "Heroes"... I even made some video that I'll post when I get done editing...

    I'm with you on the whole Chinese affair... I've been worried about outsourcing to them for years, actually, long before any of this stuff came to light.

    And I totally agree with Steph... nothing like breastfeeding... :)

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  65. I just had to pop back in here. It never ceases to amaze me how these blogs can start off and end up chatting about something totally different or coming back around full circle as this one seems to have done.
    Just in case I have not told you recently I love you guys.
    *slinking off again*

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  66. You got that right Cam, if the US government does not open their eyes; the Mexicans and the Chinese are going to kill all of us.......

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  67. Alan - Don't outsource your drummer to the Chinese. Unless of course they can do a better job. Then be a pure capitalist and go for it!

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  68. Yes, but I don't think you want to outsource yourself, either. You could destroy the industry. And you don't likely want to be sitting in a mud shack in internal Mongolia eating nitrogen-rich melamine as a daily supplement... (more on this soon).

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